Softballguy Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 IMG SOS will almost always be better because they get to chose every team they play They aren't forced to play some poor sacrificial lambs the FHSAA sends to get blown out by 60 because they still think student enrollment means a damn thing about how good a team is like the brain dead traditionalists they have on the board now Most real experts know that the talent pools matter a lot more than the number of kids in the school Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Softballguy Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 On 6/17/2024 at 11:12 AM, GardenStateBaller said: Yet all the best teams in FL avoid them like the plague! LOL Miami Central says hi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GardenStateBaller Posted June 21 Author Share Posted June 21 Just now, Softballguy said: Miami Central says hi 2022 was aloooooong time ago. And we rewarded MC for that win!! See below: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GardenStateBaller Posted June 21 Author Share Posted June 21 4 minutes ago, Softballguy said: Because those OOS teams were ranked way higher than they belonged Ben Davis by the national rankings would have been top 5 in Florida. When is the last time a team from Indiana played an elite Florida team and won? And you ain't gonna convince me that Miami Central was running from IMG and I highly doubt Chaminade was either and besides you take out the district games I'm pretty sure their SOS would be neck and neck anyway 2023 SOS numbers don't and can't lie: IMG 44.8 MC 42.4 STA 38.4 Norland 35.3 AHP 32.4 C-M 30.5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Softballguy Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 (edited) 6 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: 2023 SOS numbers don't and can't lie: IMG 44.8 MC 42.4 STA 38.4 Norland 35.3 AHP 32.4 C-M 30.5 What's the SOS of all those teams if you remove district games like IMG has an advantage of having none of When one team can create an entire schedule with unlimited budget while others are forced to play certain weaker teams by being in a state association it's not an apples to apples comparison Edited June 21 by Softballguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Softballguy Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 10 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: 2022 was aloooooong time ago. And we rewarded MC for that win!! See below: Well considering it's the most recent example of IMG playing a Florida team with a pulse it's still relevant Pine Forest wasn't that good 2 years ago but they still better than they were this past season and Bartram Trail was down from their normal level last season IMG caught both teams they probably beat regardless when they weren't even close to their peak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GardenStateBaller Posted June 21 Author Share Posted June 21 1 minute ago, Softballguy said: Well considering it's the most recent example of IMG playing a Florida team with a pulse it's still relevant Pine Forest wasn't that good 2 years ago but they still better than they were this past season and Bartram Trail was down from their normal level last season IMG caught both teams they probably beat regardless when they weren't even close to their peak My point is that FLs top teams should be scheduling IMG on an annual basis. Look what it did for MC? That Natty doesn't exist without that win. MC created a formula for success. Unfortunately, nobody is following their lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GardenStateBaller Posted June 21 Author Share Posted June 21 6 minutes ago, Softballguy said: What's the SOS of all those teams if you remove district games like IMG has an advantage of having none of When one team can create an entire schedule with unlimited budget while others are forced to play certain weaker teams by being in a state association it's not an apples to apples comparison Simple fix. If your district teams stink then schedule better non-district/OOS teams! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Softballguy Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 1 hour ago, GardenStateBaller said: Simple fix. If your district teams stink then schedule better non-district/OOS teams! How can you look at Chaminade non district schedule and say they didn't schedule good teams? They literally bulldozed a SFA team that IMG barely got by Again when one team gets full 100% say on who they play and another team only gets to control half their schedule it's not a fair comparison to use SOS unless you are using games of equal control Most good SOS measures out there only use non conference games for it because those games are the ones the schools have control over so that's why again I ask what is the SOS rankings for the teams using only non conference games Certainly someone out there has done the math for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Softballguy Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 1 hour ago, GardenStateBaller said: My point is that FLs top teams should be scheduling IMG on an annual basis. Look what it did for MC? That Natty doesn't exist without that win. MC created a formula for success. Unfortunately, nobody is following their lead. Who's to say Miami Central won't play IMG again the minute IMG calls them Did IMG ever call Miami Central when they were looking for games? Also looking at Chaminade schedule this year I have doubts that Chaminade ran from IMG when it's more likely they they couldn't come to terms or maybe Chaminade just doesn't feel they need IMG If I look at the last 5 years I would argue that maybe Chaminade chose SFA instead because they seemed to be a team that was better for their schedule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Softballguy Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, GardenStateBaller said: My point is that FLs top teams should be scheduling IMG on an annual basis. Look what it did for MC? That Natty doesn't exist without that win. MC created a formula for success. Unfortunately, nobody is following their lead. Chaminade has SJB, Norland, Western, STA, AHP and Cardinal Gibbons on their schedule That's not a weak schedule by any stretch of the imagination https://www.maxpreps.com/fl/hollywood/chaminade-madonna-lions/football/schedule/ Edited June 21 by Softballguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GardenStateBaller Posted June 21 Author Share Posted June 21 2 minutes ago, Softballguy said: Who's to say Miami Central won't play IMG again the minute IMG calls them Did IMG ever call Miami Central when they were looking for games? Also looking at Chaminade schedule this year I have doubts that Chaminade ran from IMG when it's more likely they they couldn't come to terms or maybe Chaminade just doesn't feel they need IMG If I look at the last 5 years I would argue that maybe Chaminade chose SFA instead because they seemed to be a team that was better for their schedule I'm very much involved in IMGs scheduling process. I can assure you that both MC and C-M have declined offers to host IMG. I won't post the text/email proof out of respect for those programs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GardenStateBaller Posted June 21 Author Share Posted June 21 2 minutes ago, Softballguy said: Chaminade has SJB, Norland, Western, STA, AHP and Cardinal Gibbons on their schedule That's not a weak schedule by any stretch of the imagination https://www.maxpreps.com/fl/hollywood/chaminade-madonna-lions/football/schedule/ C-M has a great schedule this season thanks to the SJB game that we helped consummate. Hence, why the Lions will be a MNC contender to start the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC ROCKETS Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 4 hours ago, GardenStateBaller said: I'm very much involved in IMGs scheduling process. I can assure you that both MC and C-M have declined offers to host IMG. I won't post the text/email proof out of respect for those programs. 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GardenStateBaller Posted June 22 Author Share Posted June 22 7 minutes ago, MC ROCKETS said: 🤔 I'll always have much respect for MC. Publics like them, Kahuku, Buford have all stepped out of the comfort zones to beat eilte Power Privates. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Softballguy Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 I still want to see what's the non conference SOS because it's definitely easier for IMG to get a better SOS when they don't have district games dragging their SOS ranking down I'm betting all those teams you listed with a lower SOS would have a much higher one if they didn't have to play district games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GardenStateBaller Posted June 22 Author Share Posted June 22 2 minutes ago, Softballguy said: I'm betting all those teams you listed with a lower SOS would have a much higher one if they didn't have to play district games Gorman has the same problem in NV. But it doesn't prevent them from winning Natty's because they schedule at least one blockbuster, elite game annually. This season they're playing both MD and STA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Softballguy Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 7 hours ago, GardenStateBaller said: Gorman has the same problem in NV. But it doesn't prevent them from winning Natty's because they schedule at least one blockbuster, elite game annually. This season they're playing both MD and STA. Chaminade played several opponents last year who should have been major games Hell they played SFA which was hyped massively for IMG schedule Funny how it's a big win for IMG but not good enough for Chaminade But people want to make IMG better than they are when they routinely half ass their play and play down to competition instead of actually proving they are a tier above like some think they are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Softballguy Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 https://www.maxpreps.com/fl/hollywood/chaminade-madonna-lions/football/23-24/schedule/ SFA Cardinal Gibbons Bergen Catholic AHP Miami Central How can you look at that schedule and say they didn't go out and schedule blockbuster elite games I see plenty of teams who have those teams as their BIGGEST game of their entire schedule but Chaminade plays FIVE of them but that's not good enough even when IMG didn't play better against common opponents or play any power state elites like Chaminade did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GardenStateBaller Posted June 22 Author Share Posted June 22 3 minutes ago, Softballguy said: https://www.maxpreps.com/fl/hollywood/chaminade-madonna-lions/football/23-24/schedule/ SFA Cardinal Gibbons Bergen Catholic AHP Miami Central How can you look at that schedule and say they didn't go out and schedule blockbuster elite games I see plenty of teams who have those teams as their BIGGEST game of their entire schedule but Chaminade plays FIVE of them but that's not good enough even when IMG didn't play better against common opponents or play any power state elites like Chaminade did Final SOS was 30.5 compared to these other elites: SJB 69.4 MD 68.8 Cen10 63.6 DS 50.9 DV 49.0 IMG 44.8 BG 43.1 Win or lose playing SJB this season will def help them finally get into the 40+ range, which will be respectable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Softballguy Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 17 hours ago, GardenStateBaller said: Final SOS was 30.5 compared to these other elites: SJB 69.4 MD 68.8 Cen10 63.6 DS 50.9 DV 49.0 IMG 44.8 BG 43.1 Win or lose playing SJB this season will def help them finally get into the 40+ range, which will be respectable. Was that their SOS for only non conference games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Softballguy Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Also IMG with having full control of their schedule and unlimited funds should not have a weaker schedules than any team without that advantage which is what stands out to me the most in that list I'm betting Chaminade schedule strength isn't far behind or even behind IMG at all if you remove Chaminade district games from the SOS numbers which would prove that Chaminade was absolutely deserving of being ranked ahead of IMG and I've spoken to multiple people who are familiar with both programs including one who said Chaminade would have beaten IMG by 10 last year and considering the overall competition of the two I believe that Teams like Ben Davis would not have the rankings to boost IMG if they had to play in SFL and play the teams Chaminade has Miami Central last year was ranked close to Ben Davis in the MaxPreps rankings but yet if the two played I would have easily taken Miami Central by 14-17 points against Ben Davis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Softballguy Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 That's the reason I'm not buying IMG schedule being better regardless of what the numbers say because the SOS metric is extremely flawed as is just taking the winning percentage of the teams on the schedule and not taking into any account what those teams played themselves to get that record It's why at the college level I look more at the SOR metric which says a lot more about the teams then SOS A team like Ben Davis will count for more on SOS than AHP or Miami Central yet Ben Davis wouldn't have beaten any of the teams that those two teams lost to which is again a flaw in the SOS metric and why SOR has become a far more effective method of evaluating teams and their schedules overall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GardenStateBaller Posted June 23 Author Share Posted June 23 5 hours ago, Softballguy said: Also IMG with having full control of their schedule and unlimited funds should not have a weaker schedules than any team without that advantage which is what stands out to me the most in that list I'm betting Chaminade schedule strength isn't far behind or even behind IMG at all if you remove Chaminade district games from the SOS numbers which would prove that Chaminade was absolutely deserving of being ranked ahead of IMG and I've spoken to multiple people who are familiar with both programs including one who said Chaminade would have beaten IMG by 10 last year and considering the overall competition of the two I believe that Teams like Ben Davis would not have the rankings to boost IMG if they had to play in SFL and play the teams Chaminade has Miami Central last year was ranked close to Ben Davis in the MaxPreps rankings but yet if the two played I would have easily taken Miami Central by 14-17 points against Ben Davis IMG is the most feared team in HSFB. It's not their fault that all the other top teams bedsides SFA is afraid to schedule them annually. Therefore, can can never be penalized in this respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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